Aug 26, 2026
This episode features
August Brice
speaking with
Rob Brown
a practicing diagnostic radiologist and author of Unplug
UnPlug: A Radiologist Explores the Damage Caused by Electropollution and How You Can Prevent It
They dig into the biological effects of non ionizing radiation, why “it’s harmless” is not an accurate blanket claim, and how chronic exposure may affect the body in ways that are easy to miss.We discuss the difference between thermal and non thermal effects, why exposure pattern matters as much as dose, and what practical steps people can take to reduce risk without abandoning technology entirely.
Key topics
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Rob Brown explains why non ionizing radiation is not harmless
- He says the old “only heat matters” view misses documented non thermal effects, especially oxidative stress.
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Why oxidative stress matters at the cellular level
- Rob breaks down how reactive oxygen species can damage cell membranes, proteins, and DNA if glutathione and other defenses are depleted.
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How radiation can affect the whole body, not just one spot
- He contrasts toxins with radiation, saying radiation exposure can impact every cell in the path of the signal.
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The difference between deterministic and stochastic effects
- Thermal heating is the deterministic effect.
- Long term biological consequences are discussed as stochastic, influenced by many variables.
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Why the same exposure does not affect everyone the same way
- Rob and August talk about hydration, body fat, glutathione status, immune health, and prior exposures as possible modifiers.
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Rouleau formation and blood changes after cell phone exposure
- Rob describes his ultrasound case work showing blood aggregation after local cell phone exposure, even without active data transmission.
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Grounding and sleeping in EMF reduced environments
- They discuss how some people report less rouleau and better tolerance after sleeping on grounding or earthing setups.
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Why short term studies can miss long term risk
- Rob argues that many negative studies rely on brief exposures, while real world use is often chronic and cumulative.
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Practical ways to reduce exposure
- Use speaker mode.
- Do not keep an active phone in your pocket or bra.
- Turn devices off when possible.
- Create a low exposure sleep environment.
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Caution around quick fix products
- Rob is skeptical of claims that chips, harmonizers, or amulets can make wireless radiation safe without reducing exposure.
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Concerns about newer technologies
- He says terahertz and millimeter wave systems may penetrate differently, but the science is still incomplete.